Hahaha. But’s that’s just a common phrase to describe people’s familiar reaction to change - “Das haven wir immer schon so gemacht”. You know this phrase, don’t you?
I wasn’t referring to the Schalke Kreisel in particular, just this typical attitude to illustrate that change is often met with resistance by people.
Three brief points:
As far as the importance of ultras for a football club is concerned, I don’t agree with you I am sure that we could debate this long and hard.
I agree with you that fans/supporters in general are important stakeholders of a football club, but I think that there is far too much emphasis and attention given to ultras and the ultra culture in football, up to the point of causing harm.
But that’s probably another discussion for another day and another place…
As for Tönnies, can I ask you a question about his statements because I actually find it hard to tell from a distance?
Were his remarks really racist? Or did he not just draw a connection between impoverished and economically underdeveloped people and their actions in order to produce warmth when it’s cold outside (burn wood) and what they do to pass the time when they can’t attend a football match, a fun fair, go see a movie, watch TV, and so on in general? (Which, by the way, absolutely missed the point of climate change (the point he actually wanted to make).)
It seems to me that this connection between economic circumstances and human behaviour would apply to Europeans or people from the US just as well. So were is statements not based on economics rather than race?
One of the reasons why I am so cautious about classifying statements as racist if really they are not is because it takes the sting out of genuine racism and its dangers to society.
Genuine racism disparages people and declares it acceptable to treat them unfairly, be violent against them and see them as second class humans just because of the colour of their skin or the shape of their nose or something else that is purportedly due to their “race”.
And this is what is really dangerous because it is completely arbitrary and unfounded and can have horrible consequences if followed through to its ultimate extent - as history has sadly taught us.
Oh, and as for democracy in football clubs: democracy is not a value in and of itself. It is the proper form of government for a large and ‘involuntarily’ human society like a state because - for all its complications and inefficiencies - democracy grants a comprehensive set of equal rights to everyone and allows everyone to participate in government (i.e. control the forces that rule your life) if they want - even if only by casting their vote every few years.
Such characteristics are not necessarily needed in football clubs. A football clubs is not a state. Nobody is forced to be there. They can’t throw people into prison.
Why would they have to be ruled democratically? It just makes things overly complicated…